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		By: Sat Khalsa		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 01:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bullshit, I went to MPA for 6 years and the abuse definitely still occurred.  It might be slightly better than before but not acceptable by any means.  And while more kids are going to college its not a good rate whatsoever.  I know many kids who have deep seated emotional trauma and distress.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bullshit, I went to MPA for 6 years and the abuse definitely still occurred.  It might be slightly better than before but not acceptable by any means.  And while more kids are going to college its not a good rate whatsoever.  I know many kids who have deep seated emotional trauma and distress.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am a parent of one of these students. I can believe how nobody do anything about this school. I decided not to send them this scholar year, now in home, they are having the chance to tell me time after time in how many ways they were bullied physically , verbally and mentally by students and staff members, when a student bullied another student in any way (they saw a 7 years old boy chest beaten by older students, this little boy wouldn&#039;t say anything because if he told a staff member it would make things worst) staff members would not do anything about it, on the contrary, staff member sometimes would do the same but in a subtle way     This school in India is an institution from USA . What can parents do?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a parent of one of these students. I can believe how nobody do anything about this school. I decided not to send them this scholar year, now in home, they are having the chance to tell me time after time in how many ways they were bullied physically , verbally and mentally by students and staff members, when a student bullied another student in any way (they saw a 7 years old boy chest beaten by older students, this little boy wouldn&#39;t say anything because if he told a staff member it would make things worst) staff members would not do anything about it, on the contrary, staff member sometimes would do the same but in a subtle way     This school in India is an institution from USA . What can parents do?</p>
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		By: indiakids blog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad for your honesty, however your honesty is a reflection of these issues.  Your perspective is simply the perspective of someone entrenched in a dogma, and it&#039;s unoriginal.  Too bad.  Because you had the opportunity to get out while you were in college, a place where one hopefully goes to develop critical thinking skills and original ideas.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Guess higher education didn&#039;t take.  I imagine you spent your college years telling yourself and the world of your exotic upbringing and your specialness.  Look: It&#039;s not exotic, it&#039;s not special, there are no &#034;tools&#034;.  3HO is a de-facto Cult.  You can use all the language and cognitive dissonance that makes it possible for you to stay, but the fact remains.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I understand how difficult is is to learn that the society you were raised in is a Cult.  We believed that what our parents were doing and the choices they were making were in our best interest.  But the truth is they were in love with a bigoted, selfish pervert who ruled over their everyday lives, and amassed great wealth from their hard work and devotion.  The choices they made were out of love for him, not us.  It&#039;s a hard reality to swallow.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m glad for your honesty, however your honesty is a reflection of these issues.  Your perspective is simply the perspective of someone entrenched in a dogma, and it&#39;s unoriginal.  Too bad.  Because you had the opportunity to get out while you were in college, a place where one hopefully goes to develop critical thinking skills and original ideas.  </p>
<p>Guess higher education didn&#39;t take.  I imagine you spent your college years telling yourself and the world of your exotic upbringing and your specialness.  Look: It&#39;s not exotic, it&#39;s not special, there are no &quot;tools&quot;.  3HO is a de-facto Cult.  You can use all the language and cognitive dissonance that makes it possible for you to stay, but the fact remains.</p>
<p>I understand how difficult is is to learn that the society you were raised in is a Cult.  We believed that what our parents were doing and the choices they were making were in our best interest.  But the truth is they were in love with a bigoted, selfish pervert who ruled over their everyday lives, and amassed great wealth from their hard work and devotion.  The choices they made were out of love for him, not us.  It&#39;s a hard reality to swallow.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have honestly conveyed my feelings. I did not ask you to closet your feelings to protect anyone. I made no claim that 3HO is a utopia. I simply offered my perspective. Since this was an online discussion about india kids experiences, I honestly wrote mine down. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; I don&#039;t see how it reflects collective insecurities?? If anything I am being honest.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Post what you like. You did not do me a big favor.. Find the haters to support your opinion. I don&#039;t think you are opening up any closet doors that weren&#039;t already open. I guess the only thing to say is get over it and &#034;live your life&#034;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have honestly conveyed my feelings. I did not ask you to closet your feelings to protect anyone. I made no claim that 3HO is a utopia. I simply offered my perspective. Since this was an online discussion about india kids experiences, I honestly wrote mine down. </p>
<p> I don&#39;t see how it reflects collective insecurities?? If anything I am being honest.</p>
<p> Post what you like. You did not do me a big favor.. Find the haters to support your opinion. I don&#39;t think you are opening up any closet doors that weren&#39;t already open. I guess the only thing to say is get over it and &quot;live your life&quot;.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I attended all the India schools from GNFC to the current incarnation, Miri Piri Academy. I also went to the summer camps with Nanak Dev. I attended University here in the US, and lived life on the non-3HO side of the fence. Now, I am in 3HO and a practicing Sikh. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am not criticizing your feelings which you are 100% entitled to, but my experience and opinion is very different than yours. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even though I was picked on, beaten by teachers, and had a tough time in India, those experiences did made me a stronger and more secure person today. Being away from my parents ( which I was @ 6 years old ), helped me to think independently, and learn how to deal with diverse situations with grace. The yoga and meditation helped me to have clarity and neutrality in many life decisions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many children in the US, are physically, sexually, socially, and mentally abused all the time. A large percentage, by their own relatives. Bullying is rampant within public schools and the drop-out rate is enormous. Depression and substance abuse is wide spread. There is no guarantee that your life would have been without scars if you grew up outside of 3HO.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It pains me to hear that your experiences were so negative and anger inducing, but I feel that your description does not paint a truthful and balanced picture of 3HO. It really vilifies 3HO and does not take into account some of the intention behind what 3HO is about. I think if someone was a first time reader on this site, they would be getting a very biased opinion. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For many people 3HO and Yogi Bhajan has empowered their lives, provided support, improved their health, and given them tools to survive amid all of the issues we face in a modern society ( over medication, drug abuse, neglect, highly processed and unhealthy food, depression, fear, anger, poor family structure, etc. ). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As in any another organization there exists some rotten apples, but it does not make the whole lot bad. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended all the India schools from GNFC to the current incarnation, Miri Piri Academy. I also went to the summer camps with Nanak Dev. I attended University here in the US, and lived life on the non-3HO side of the fence. Now, I am in 3HO and a practicing Sikh. </p>
<p>I am not criticizing your feelings which you are 100% entitled to, but my experience and opinion is very different than yours. </p>
<p>Even though I was picked on, beaten by teachers, and had a tough time in India, those experiences did made me a stronger and more secure person today. Being away from my parents ( which I was @ 6 years old ), helped me to think independently, and learn how to deal with diverse situations with grace. The yoga and meditation helped me to have clarity and neutrality in many life decisions.</p>
<p>Many children in the US, are physically, sexually, socially, and mentally abused all the time. A large percentage, by their own relatives. Bullying is rampant within public schools and the drop-out rate is enormous. Depression and substance abuse is wide spread. There is no guarantee that your life would have been without scars if you grew up outside of 3HO.</p>
<p>It pains me to hear that your experiences were so negative and anger inducing, but I feel that your description does not paint a truthful and balanced picture of 3HO. It really vilifies 3HO and does not take into account some of the intention behind what 3HO is about. I think if someone was a first time reader on this site, they would be getting a very biased opinion. </p>
<p>For many people 3HO and Yogi Bhajan has empowered their lives, provided support, improved their health, and given them tools to survive amid all of the issues we face in a modern society ( over medication, drug abuse, neglect, highly processed and unhealthy food, depression, fear, anger, poor family structure, etc. ). </p>
<p>As in any another organization there exists some rotten apples, but it does not make the whole lot bad. 🙂</p>
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		By: indiakids blog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 02:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your comment. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My suggestion would be to not concern yourself with the way in which my blog &#034;paints&#034; 3HO. There are plenty of websites and blogs that most certainly paint 3HO to be a utopia. Whereas, I honestly talk about my own feelings, my experiences, my memories, and the things in my day to day life that trigger them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you are concerned about how my honest writing conveys the image of 3HO as a whole, this is simply self involved.  I do not remain closeted to protect anyone&#039;s image, period.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am posting your comment because your comment so transparently reflects the collective insecurities of an organization with a troubling history and a very uncertain future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment. </p>
<p>My suggestion would be to not concern yourself with the way in which my blog &quot;paints&quot; 3HO. There are plenty of websites and blogs that most certainly paint 3HO to be a utopia. Whereas, I honestly talk about my own feelings, my experiences, my memories, and the things in my day to day life that trigger them.</p>
<p>If you are concerned about how my honest writing conveys the image of 3HO as a whole, this is simply self involved.  I do not remain closeted to protect anyone&#39;s image, period.</p>
<p>I am posting your comment because your comment so transparently reflects the collective insecurities of an organization with a troubling history and a very uncertain future.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember being a kid in GRD thinking what would be worse a few slaps or some yogic punishment like rocket pose for 30 minutes? The first was always the better. At GRD I was slapped so many times, often on a daily basis. I have a love/hate relationship with my India experience.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember being a kid in GRD thinking what would be worse a few slaps or some yogic punishment like rocket pose for 30 minutes? The first was always the better. At GRD I was slapped so many times, often on a daily basis. I have a love/hate relationship with my India experience.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#034;Yes, anyone qualified to talk about the boarding schools in India will probably tell you they had issues, and probably lament a bit. If they are members of 3HO, they will probably also tell you that the benefits outweigh &#034;those issues&#034;. However, they might not mention that those &#034;issues&#034; included violent and physical abuse, corporal punishment, neglect, and sexual abuse.&#034;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Elders in 3HO that I&#039;ve talked to about the dysfunctions of GRD don&#039;t sugar coat it - they didn&#039;t live there, so only we know first hand the heartaches that we personally experienced, but they do know the heartaches of their own experience from dealing with the real issues from their own children upon returning home. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was from this reality, of painful firsthand experience, that a &#034;self managed &#038; family founded&#034; school needed to be created - The other schools were around before western students attended. Thats why parents from the original ashram decided to independently join hands and fund Miri Piri, directly from money earned in an honest career. The dysfunctions of the other schools wouldn&#039;t be, were not nor have been, tolerated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The severity of correcting the wrongs of past is of the highest priority in the minds of these parents, many of which are some of the original people of 3HO.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Yes, anyone qualified to talk about the boarding schools in India will probably tell you they had issues, and probably lament a bit. If they are members of 3HO, they will probably also tell you that the benefits outweigh &quot;those issues&quot;. However, they might not mention that those &quot;issues&quot; included violent and physical abuse, corporal punishment, neglect, and sexual abuse.&quot;</p>
<p>Elders in 3HO that I&#39;ve talked to about the dysfunctions of GRD don&#39;t sugar coat it &#8211; they didn&#39;t live there, so only we know first hand the heartaches that we personally experienced, but they do know the heartaches of their own experience from dealing with the real issues from their own children upon returning home. </p>
<p>It was from this reality, of painful firsthand experience, that a &quot;self managed &amp; family founded&quot; school needed to be created &#8211; The other schools were around before western students attended. Thats why parents from the original ashram decided to independently join hands and fund Miri Piri, directly from money earned in an honest career. The dysfunctions of the other schools wouldn&#39;t be, were not nor have been, tolerated.</p>
<p>The severity of correcting the wrongs of past is of the highest priority in the minds of these parents, many of which are some of the original people of 3HO.</p>
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		By: indiakids blog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 02:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@anonymous above: Thank you for commenting.  If you attended GRD in the 90&#039;s perhaps you were aware that it too was created to &#034;make a better place&#034; for 3HO children.  GNFC was also &#034;to be a better place&#034; than the child-swapping of previous years that resulted in a lot of abuse and neglect.  I will not ever be convinced that Miri Piri Academy is a better enough place to warrant shipping young children half-way around the globe for boarding school. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, anyone qualified to talk about the boarding schools in India will probably tell you they had issues, and probably lament a bit.  If they are members of 3HO, they will probably also tell you that the benefits outweigh &#034;those issues&#034;.  However, they might not mention that those &#034;issues&#034; included violent and physical abuse, corporal punishment, neglect, and sexual abuse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m glad some MPA kids are getting degrees.  College is a great place for developing critical thinking skills.  Having critical thinking skills is the foundation for independent thought -- once one can think on his or her own, he or she has more freedom to decide which religion, faith or spirituality to pursue as an adult.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@anonymous above: Thank you for commenting.  If you attended GRD in the 90&#39;s perhaps you were aware that it too was created to &quot;make a better place&quot; for 3HO children.  GNFC was also &quot;to be a better place&quot; than the child-swapping of previous years that resulted in a lot of abuse and neglect.  I will not ever be convinced that Miri Piri Academy is a better enough place to warrant shipping young children half-way around the globe for boarding school. </p>
<p>Yes, anyone qualified to talk about the boarding schools in India will probably tell you they had issues, and probably lament a bit.  If they are members of 3HO, they will probably also tell you that the benefits outweigh &quot;those issues&quot;.  However, they might not mention that those &quot;issues&quot; included violent and physical abuse, corporal punishment, neglect, and sexual abuse.</p>
<p>I&#39;m glad some MPA kids are getting degrees.  College is a great place for developing critical thinking skills.  Having critical thinking skills is the foundation for independent thought &#8212; once one can think on his or her own, he or she has more freedom to decide which religion, faith or spirituality to pursue as an adult.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 02:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#034;There were two guides with US Military backgrounds, and they were brought in to teach us military style drills, something that Yogi Bhajan was particularly fond of at the time. For some reason, the Indian students at GRD were exempt from the military training.&#034; &lt;br /&gt;I attended GRD from in &#039;90 and &#039;91 - I don&#039;t remember anything like this. No &#034;military feel&#034; or &#034;drills&#034; actually just allot of skateboarding &#038; basketball. There was some separation between the American &#038; Indian students but this separation wasn&#039;t administered, it was the social behaviors of the students. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One main thing to note: Anyone you ask in 3HO, who&#039;s qualified to answer, will tell you that the first two schools had issues &#038; kids were mistreated, even by older american students. Most are very sorry those things happened, Miri Piri was created to make a better place.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I didn&#039;t attend Miri Piri, but I know people who have. Many are now in universities or have already graduated ranking colleges, some going into masters and PHD programs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;There were two guides with US Military backgrounds, and they were brought in to teach us military style drills, something that Yogi Bhajan was particularly fond of at the time. For some reason, the Indian students at GRD were exempt from the military training.&quot; <br />I attended GRD from in &#39;90 and &#39;91 &#8211; I don&#39;t remember anything like this. No &quot;military feel&quot; or &quot;drills&quot; actually just allot of skateboarding &amp; basketball. There was some separation between the American &amp; Indian students but this separation wasn&#39;t administered, it was the social behaviors of the students. </p>
<p>One main thing to note: Anyone you ask in 3HO, who&#39;s qualified to answer, will tell you that the first two schools had issues &amp; kids were mistreated, even by older american students. Most are very sorry those things happened, Miri Piri was created to make a better place.</p>
<p>I didn&#39;t attend Miri Piri, but I know people who have. Many are now in universities or have already graduated ranking colleges, some going into masters and PHD programs.</p>
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